Internet Explorer replacement?

Internet Explorer replacement?


Pardons my language but what is the best freesoftwares for replacement internet explorer.

Andrew Min's picture
Submitted by Andrew Min on

More secure, nicer, has cool skins and extensions, and uses standards.

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Andrew Min

Anonymous visitor's picture
Submitted by Anonymous visitor (not verified) on

(Mozilla) Seamonkey; Firefox's older cousin. It combines a browser, email client (you can get stop using Outlook Express!), and more. In Mozilla's own words, "everything but the kitchen sink."

spartan2276's picture

I would have to say that it would be Firefox or Opera. But there are things you must consider. One example is that most developer(web)/Designers(web) only build things to work on IE(hence I said most) and although this seems to be changing is not changing fast enough, so you might not be able to view all web pages correctly. Opera is in the same boat as Firefox hell I thinks is worst of things that work on IE and FF don't work on Opera at least most of the time. So I'm not saying not to ditch IE in fact I'm all for it, but you must consider what I have said. Also for all you CSS designers keep the other two browsers in mind.

Rey Angeles
IT Consultant/Web Developer
www.sbnsite.com

alejandroz's picture
Submitted by alejandroz on

Opera isn't Free Software. Not a bad browser (though I don't see it as being much better than Konqueror, which is already my third favorite browser after FF and Kazehakase), but it doesn't qualify.

Tony_photoplus's picture

I have to argue a point which I know you are wrong on. Opera is free, I use it as my browser and its wonderful. I would check your facts first before stating a point. Firefox is freeware, but IE is free to a point but all the addons there are a lot you have to pay for which limits your use. Which makes Microsoft of key with the rest of the web world. Maxthon is not a bad browser either if you wish to shop around and explore whats out there just type in web browser into Google and see how many you get. Quite a few. The main three are MS I.E, Firefox and Opera.

Tony Mobily's picture

Hi,

Opera is not "free" as in "freedom".
Can you get Opera's source code, modify it, and redistribute it? The answer is no. Opera's maker kindly allows you (for now) to use their browser at no cost.

The same applies to IE, which is a real pest (ask any good web designer)

Firefox is NOT freeware - it's free software. They are very, very different things.

Bye,

Merc.

kd_jm's picture
Submitted by kd_jm on

Silly word games. Opera is "free" as in "freedom". You can download it and use it at no cost. That IS free. If I start calling a duck a bear.
You better make up a poll asking if one ever has looked at code which is opensource, and if one ever as changed code which is opensource.
Who cares if Opera is opensource or not? You, apparantly. But not 99.99% of the world. Get real!

Ryan Cartwright's picture

Silly word games. Opera is "free" as in "freedom". You can download it and use it at no cost. That IS free

No: that is Zero cost. You do not have the freedom to use Opera how you want. You do not have the freedom to change/improve it if you want. You do not have the freedom to check whether the code contains any back-doors, bugs or subversive monitoring functions[1]. You do not have the freedom to distribute Opera within your own products without first acquiring a different licence. For more on what the differences are, see this beginner's guide to free software.

Who cares if Opera is opensource or not?

Did you really ask that question in Free Software Magazine? :o) I think you'll find that a lot of people here care and a lot of them will have looked at and changed opensource code--including me.

Ryan

[1] I'm not saying Opera's code does contain those things. I am saying you and I couldn't tell even if it did.

kd_jm's picture
Submitted by kd_jm on

Bah. Just as I said: silly word games.

I want to use my car, not change it. I want to use my pc, not disassemble it. Throwing the engine inside out, or disassembling my pc is not my or most people's idea of "usage". But ok, you've got a major point: this site is not exactly the place to be to find supporters for this view.

But it is this attitude that ordinary people - people not like you, people who just want stuff to work so they can forget about it - find higly arrogant, which makes it more difficult to persuade them to try (and hopefully adopt) an alternative OS, office suite, browser, burner, music player, whatever. The key is that it is not best if they adopt something which is open-source, it is best that people have choice, and use this choice. Again, perhaps this site is not exactly the place to be to find supporters for this view.

[1] No offence taken, it's just SW. But, you can tell if it did, how else could one know what MS is doing? It is 'only' some orders of magnitude more difficult.

Ryan Cartwright's picture

I want to use my car, not change it. I want to use my pc, not disassemble it. Throwing the engine inside out, or disassembling my pc is not my or most people's idea of "usage".

Interesting choice of analogy. With the computerisation of car design and servicing a lot of small garages over here in the UK have disappeared because they just can't afford all the extra equipment needed to service cars from such a large range of manufacturers. More people now are forced to take their cars to single-manufacturer repair shops. Consumers are thus left with less choice as to where they can get their car serviced or repaired or even modified.

I agree, most people won't classify looking at or modifying source code as usage (including me) but with the source code being open it does give people a greater choice of who to go to if they want it modified in some way.

But it is this attitude that ordinary people - people not like you,

Hey I'm ordinary. I'm married, two kids, work for a living, break wind in bed. :o)

People who just want stuff to work so they can forget about it

Well I feel like that too so I guess that does make me ordinary. I get annoyed when I try to help a friend with Vista and every time I run a wizard on its recommendation, it then asks me to confirm that I just asked it to do so! I want it to just work. I get fed up of telling my colleagues that the only solution to their problem is turn it off and on again--because I am unable to discover exactly why their application hung and then brought down the OS with it. I want it to just work--it's one of the reasons I use free software.

  • find higly arrogant, which makes it more difficult to persuade them to try (and hopefully adopt) an alternative OS, office suite, browser, burner, music player, whatever.

I'm not so sure they find it arrogant--most of my non-techie friends find me amusing, eccentric and pedantic rather than arrogant (at least that's what they tell me). But you seem to have mis-understood why I made my comment. I was just clarifying what others were referring to when they said Opera was "non-free". It was more a case of making sure other people new to this concept understood the difference between zero cost and freedom and why we get so pedantic about it. It's a side effect of the same word (free) being available to describe both meanings and I agree it's confusing--that's why I commented.

The key is that it is not best if they adopt something which is open-source, it is best that people have choice, and use this choice. Again, perhaps this site is not exactly the place to be to find supporters for this view.

I think you'll find that a lot of people contributing and using this site would agree that choice is a very good thing. One of the complaints often made against free and Open Source software is that there is _too much__ choice. Want to install GNU/Linux: which distro from the thousands available should you choose? Install a typical GNU/Linux distro and see how many web browsers you get to choose from :o).

It's true that most people here probably believe that using FOSS is part of giving end-users more choice but (for me) this was never really about "Don't use Opera because it's non-free"--it was about clarifying that Opera's licence does not give users all the freedom you implied. For some that freedom is important for others less so. Choose to use Opera (or IE for that matter) if you want but we shouldn't confuse others by implying it has freedom in the same way that Firefox, Konqueror and others have.

cheers Ryan

oyedapo001's picture
Submitted by oyedapo001 on

Hello there, Internet Explorer is still the best web browser and still working on great skills to make internet surfing a wonderful experience. The introduction of Internet Explorer is a good evidence. Mozilla Firefox and Crazy Browser are also great alternatives. I stand by Internet Explorer. You can say yours.

Mitch Meyran's picture

...I must say the easiest browser to design and program to is, for now, Firefox 3 - closely followed by Opera 9.2, then Firefox 2. Konqueror has, unfortunately, a few quirks that make it a bit difficult to work with (scrollable absolute/fixed and sized elements don't scroll with a mouse wheel, nor do they scroll to metalinks - which makes the use of CSS pseudoframes a pain, and it still handles XHTML as 'quirky' HTML - even with the correct MIMEtype).
Internet Explorer used to be a good browser; IE 5 was, at the time, terrific for W3C HTML DOM support and CSS compliance; IE 6 was a good all-around bugfix for it.

But that was waaaay back in 2001, and IE 7 should have come out in 2002 to be relevant. Right now, IE (all versions) are real PAINS to program for:
- strange LI spacing bug (IE 7),
- 100% CPU use (and potential full-system crash) on pages with variable size CSS elements with auto-sized parents (IE 7),
- no support for TABLE display (IE all),
- bad behaviour in document.getElementsByTagName (IE 5),
- incorrect behaviour in document.getElementById (also gets name and plural ID's, doesn't return an error),
- completely bogus event model and no W3C event model support (IE all),
- Jscript interpreter unable to optimize multiple direct references to object in function context,
...a heap of other stuff.

I would thus heartily recommend Firefox - or, if you need a browser to pass off as IE for any reason, Opera (while not free) is a good choice.
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